Re: Mini-rant on Java REST (JAX-RS), JSON, XML, JAXB etc...
On 3/11/2013 8:12 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
On 03/11/2013 07:07 PM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
On 3/8/2013 7:44 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
On 03/08/2013 02:06 PM, Leif Roar Moldskred wrote:
On the other
hand, none of the many frameworks that tries to solve the issue have
exactly whelmed me over either.
As I pointed out before, and I don't think I am far wrong, none of the
frameworks has appreciably saved anyone any labour in close to 2
decades. Given - and this is a big given - something like CSS2+, a CGI
script or servlet producing raw XHTML, per page, would be as productive
as the current modern frameworks.
Well - I did a lot of CGI back then - and I think you are
exaggerating here.
I was very hard to work with.
[ SNIP ]
Exaggerating a bit, but maybe not as much as you think. I did CGI in
both C and in Perl. C not so much fun, but using something like Lincoln
Stein's CGI.pm, you could generate a lot of maintainable pages quickly -
I'd argue more quickly than with JSF.
I used C, Fortran and DCL.
Perl was probably a bit more high level.
I'll tell you what I think was another high productivity platform:
ColdFusion, which I used a great deal back in 1999 and 2000.
You know that you can run CF in a Java EE container?
The other thing is - and I think this is a bad thing - JSF component
libraries (and I could pick on other frameworks other than just the JSF
ones) provide so many possibilities that people go crazy with them.
Often there is no trained graphics designer in the mix to restrain the
use of "widgets". I've been guilty of this too, because I'm not even
remotely a graphics designer.
Simpler capabilities often make for better apps and more robust
development.
For many business admin apps, then all the bells and whistles are
just distractions.
But JSF obviously try to cover even the most sophisticated solutions.
Which I guess is really typical of the official Java (JCP) way of
doing things.
Arne
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