Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster?

From:
Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<31815149.2253.1316975280430.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfp13>
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Jan Burse wrote:

Eric Sosman schrieb:

     Note that the semantics of the bulk and lazy allocations
in your original example are quite different. An "optimization"
that changes the meaning of the code is only a benefit if the
code was wrong to begin with. ;-)

 
What I do in the code has nothing to do with my question. My


It has a great deal to do with your question.

question circles only around the following code fragment:
 
     Bla[] bla = new Bla[n];


Here the system does allocate, as you plaintively request, "n*X bytes of sp=
ace", where "X" is the size of a pointer.

     for (int i=0; i<n; i++) {
         bla[i] = new Bla();
     }


How would you imagine the JIT would optimize this without taking semantics =
into account? Each 'Bla' is required to be independently GC-able, you know=
.. The semantics of 'Bla[]' is not a block of instances; it's a block of re=
ferences.

How would you bulk allocate a block of references each to a different refer=
ence? About the only way is to add a fixed offset to the value pushed into=
 each successive array element, but that's already what you are doing with =
'new' anyway, so you aren't "optimizing" by doing the same thing.

If the 'Bla' constructor is heavyweight, the construction of your n 'Bla' i=
nstances will far outweigh any slight overhead in calculating that offset i=
ncrease for each array element.

I just don't see how you expect to bulk-load n different pointers into that=
 array. Could you explain that in more detail, please?

And what the JIT does. And not what I am doing in a comparison
with lazy. That is why I started my post with:
 
"I just wonder wether [sic] modern JIT [sic] do optimize
Code [sic] of the following form:"
 
Please focus on that.


Aye, aye, focusing on that, Captain!

The answer is "nothing", because the semantics of the operation are such th=
at the current mechanism is already quite close to optimal. This is what p=
eople have been explaining to you, that you dismissed as irrelevant.

--
Lew

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