Re: Weak/Soft references?

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Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li>

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Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:52:43 +0100

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Tegiri Nenashi wrote:

On Jul 11, 12:11?pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo...@verizon.invalid> wrote:

Tegiri Nenashi wrote:

In general yes, nothing prevents the count not to go up. But we are
talking a very specific usage here. If a notifier sees an element in
its collection of listeners to be not referenced from outside, it can

And how do you propose to do that? That makes sense in ref-counted
systems, but Java isn't ref-counted...

Legacy limitations... Note however, that ref counted based GCs can be
parallelized, and mark and sweep can't.

I think you might need to go and do some more reading on GC.

Is it possible to have a language where graph of references never has
loops (DAG) by design?

Yes - any language in which it's impossible to mutate existing objects has
this property. That, roughly speaking, is the definition of what are
called 'functional' languages - popular examples would be Haskell, ML,
Erlang, and certain styles of LISP. They're all garbage collected, but i
believe they all use mark-and-sweep rather than refcounting, despite
cycles being impossible.

tom

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