Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints.
On 12/23/2013 7:25 AM, Silvio wrote:
I did several stabs at ORMs in some small toy projects but have mainly
use ORMs working on existing projects using ORMs (both Hibernate and
Toplink) that where performing extremely poorly and had become almost
impossible to maintain and extend. I was then called in to take the ORM
out of the system as much as possible. This always consisted of creating
alternative tools for interacting with the RDBMS that the programmers
could use to rewrite the must critical and/or problematic system parts.
Most places they are actually able to get ORM working.
So you could say I have mainly negative experiences I could share. To
put it bluntly: I think ORM is a bad idea in general. I dig OOP for
modelling the transient behaviour of a running program but find the
relational model far superior for modelling data. I also find it
beneficial in general to think of data and programs working on data as
separate things.
ORM is a mechanism to help you do it the other way around, and a poor
one at it. If you want to persist objects use an object database or
serialize to some NoSQL store. If you want structured data in an RDBMS
don't degrade it into a pile of persisted objects.
I am not quite sure that I can follow you.
If you want OO for the code and you want the relational database,
then you must do a mapping between the two.
You can either hand write a lot of code or use an ORM.
Typical using an ORM is faster because it means less code.
You may not be able to use ORM 100%, but then use it 90% and
hand write code for the remaining 10%.
Arne
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