Re: What does "persist" really mean ?

From:
Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:19:16 +0100
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807311412170.28466@urchin.earth.li>
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Lew wrote:

Lew asked:

"Verbose" compared to what?


Tom Anderson wrote:

ASN.1.


Lew:

And at what benefit?


Tom:

None.


XML has many benefits as an serialization format, not least that it is
semantically void.


"Semantically void"?

It is also human-readable. I am not familiar with ASN.1, which may have
similar advantages.


Well, it's certainly not human-readable [1]. Nor, sadly, is its
specification!

XML is also infinitely extensible and self-describing. The verbosity
buys something.


ASN.1 has the same degree of self-describingness as XML. The two are
really very similar when you get down to it. Indeed, there is a degree of
interoperability:

http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/xml/

tom

[1] Kinda. ASN.1 is actually not an encoding, but a sort of framework for
encoding, within which there are a few specific encodings. The standard
one is the Basic Encoding Rules, BER, which is binary, fairly compact, and
self-describing. There's also the Packed Encoding Rules, PER, which is
maximally compact, but not self-describing. I think there are also
human-readable formats (there's certainly an XML one), but that's not
usually what people mean when they say ASN.1.

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