Re: Swing is dead! Long live Swing.

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On 2/17/2012 6:00 PM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:

On 2/17/2012 11:35 AM, Novice wrote:

Arne Vajh?j<arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in
news:4f3d91f3$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk:

On 2/16/2012 2:13 PM, Novice wrote:

Knute Johnson<nospam@rabbitbrush.frazmtn.com> wrote in
news:jhhsv4$uov$1 @dont-email.me:

I was doing some investigation of JavaFX and found a Q&A on the
javafx.com website.

"6. Is JavaFX replacing Swing as the new client UI library for Java
SE? Yes. However, Swing will remain part of the Java SE
specification for the foreseeable future, and is included in the
JRE. On one hand, Swing is widely used in existing Java desktop
applications, but relies on an old architecture, which requires a
certain level of expertise and specialization. On the other hand,
JavaFX features a set of modern UI controls that can be skinned
using standard CSS techniques. While we recommend developers to
leverage JavaFX APIs as much as possible when building new
applications, it is possible to use Swing and JavaFX

within

the same application, allowing developers to extend existing Swing
applications."

I've just started playing with JavaFX and I've got a long way to go
to really understand it but it looks fairly simple. I don't know
what it is going to be like to produce the type of GUI interfaces
that I

usually

do for work with it though.

Maybe we need a comp.lang.java.fx group.

My sole experience with JavaFX is the couple of hours I've spent
messing around with it this morning so I don't speak from any great
expertise. However, given the fact that JavaFX only works in Windows
XP/Vista/7 at the moment - a Mac version exists but is apparently not
that mature yet and a Linux version is anticipated _eventually_ - I
submit that JavaFX may not be worthy of a great deal of development
effort yet, at least for those who want to develop things that are
going to run on multiple platforms, some of which _aren't_ Windows.

It may be "the next big thing" before too long and it may be worth
investing some time to learn now rather than jumping on the bandwagon
later but I'm not inclined to put much time into it until it's clear
that it will be made available for all the platforms on which we
expect to run our Java code. A statement of commitment indicating
that Mac and Linux versions WILL be available at the same or similar
level to the Windows versions by some not-too-distant date is
probably all I need to get more enthusiastic about JavaFX....

Did you read the text you commented on?

"6. Is JavaFX replacing Swing as the new client UI library for Java
SE? Yes."

It says that JavaFX will become part of Java SE.

Then it will be on all platforms with (that version
or higher of) Java SE.

That will be fine when it is true but my point was that it this hasn't
happened yet and Oracle hasn't committed to a specific date when it will
happen.

I'm just a little leery about vaporware. It wouldn't be the first time
something like this was promised and then failed to happen for one reason
or another.

It might be a little premature to embrace JavaFX given that Oracle's
intentions may not materialize.

It is true that we do not know what version of Java SE it will be in.
Nor do we know when that version will be available as a standard. And
we obviously do not know when all Java implementations has implemented
that standard (for some server platforms 1-2 years delay is common).

But Oracle has said that it will be part of SE.

And as I read the docs then Oracle has started distributing
JavaFX with JRE from 7u2.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/downloads/index.html

<quote>
Starting with Java SE 7 Update 2 and JavaFX 2.0.2, the JavaFX Runtime is
co-installed every time the JRE is installed.
</quote>

(that must be for Windows only)

To me that is about as good as it an be for a non-paying customer.

Actually Oracle has announced something now.

http://www.infoworld.com/slideshow/28552/java-roadmap-oracles-two-year-plan-185238

Slide 7

<quote>
Summer 2013: JDK 8

This release features modular capabilities via Project Jigsaw, as well
as JavaScript interoperability, Java Virtual Machine convergence, JavaFX
3.0, and Java closures capabilities and bulk parallel operations via the
Lambda project.
</quote?

So JavaFX 3.0 - Java SE 8 - summer 2013.

If everything works out as planned. Software projects
has been delayed before! :-)

Arne

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