Re: classic "debates", rehash #9823758973458972389457098345787305897345987098374508932745087

From:
Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Fri, 22 May 2009 18:02:51 +0100
Message-ID:
<alpine.DEB.1.10.0905221802360.22379@urchin.earth.li>
On Fri, 22 May 2009, Lew wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Fri, 22 May 2009, RedGrittyBrick wrote:

Eric Sosman wrote:

Mark Space wrote:

RedGrittyBrick wrote:

 From my position of relative ignorance, these would be my reasons for
learning Java first:
  - less chance of ingraining bad habits with pointer arithmetic.
  - early exposure to Object Orientation.


Hmm, I learned C first, but these may be good points. Java is a good
place to start as any.


    The language that taught me the most about O-O was
Common Lisp. Java has more syntactic pleasantries, but
CL is in some ways "purer."


Well, if you are going to broaden the question beyond "C or Java first".
The language that taught me the most about OO was Delphi, Previously I'd
struggled and failed to grasp OO with Borlands's Object Pascal. Of course
this was after learning Dartmouth Basic, Algol, PL/1, Fortran IV, various
Assemby languages, Turbo-Pascal and a whole bunch of other 3rds and 4th
generation languages. In many ways Turbo Pascal and Perl were the most
productive languages for me and Delphi and Postscript the most enjoyable.


Smalltalk.

Simula!

ALGOL 60!!!


SNOBOL.


Oh, now you're just being silly.

tom

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