Re: generics:< ? >vs.< T >

From:
Lew <noone@lewscanon.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:32:17 -0500
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On 03/09/2011 12:53 AM, markspace wrote:

On 3/8/2011 6:17 PM, Joshua Cranmer wrote:

The gamma(Beta b) more or less overrides the gamma(T t), although the
reality is that the compiler emits the following method:
void gamma(Object o) { gamma((Beta)o); }

So yes. And no.


Right, so really it's "gamma(Object)" that Alpha declares, and Beta has to use
the same signature. I don't think anything in the JLS obviates that. So I
interpret that as "no," not even generics can violate the Java rules of
inheritance.

Also, now that I think about it, parameterized types are always invariant,
never covariant.

class Alpha<T> {
public Alpha<Object> example() { return null; }
}

class Beta extends Alpha {
public Alpha<String> example() { return null; }
}

is not allowed ever, because the return types are not covariant.


Generics are tricky because we tend to think of them as instructions. They
are not.

'<?>' does not mean "any type"; it means "an arbitrary but unknown subtype of
Object". '<T>' doesn't mean "any type"; it means "a particular inferrable
(therefore known) type". The biggest difference is that the wildcard does not
assert which particular type is in play, but the type parameter does.

That's why they're incompatible. No way the compiler can assert that some
unknown wildcard type (the capture of the wildcard's bound) is reliably
compatible with the assertrf type 'T'. We just don't know which type the
wildcard represents and cannot match it to 'T'.

--
Lew
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