Re: a convert to lambda-ism

From:
Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com>
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Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> writes:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Joshua Cranmer wrote:

On 11/14/2010 09:22 PM, Lew wrote:

I've been perusing
<http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~mr/lambda/straw-man/>

For the first time in the closures debates, I'm a fan of lambda
expressions in Java now.


The best thing I can say is that it doesn't have BGGA's fanatical
devotion to non-local control flow idioms.


Yes. I literally punched the air when i read:

 There is no non-local transfer of control in this proposal, in contrast
 to BGGA.

I thought i was the only one who thought the 'return returns from the
enclosing scope' was batshit insane.

Those made a lot of the stuff just plain complex and confusing, and
that alone was enough to sink the proposal for me.


Amen to that, brother. Also, it had maximally horrid syntax. Even
Reinhold's 'strictly provisional' syntax is better!

I'm not crazy about the syntax, but then again, function pointers
have never had stellar syntax. int (*fp)(int, int), anyone? :-) The
ability to just have single expressions I'm not entirely sure
about-- #() { return x + x; } isn't much longer than #()(x + x), and
is certainly somewhat easier to read.


The terseness lends itself to the typical higher-order-function uses,
like:

List<String> names;
List<Integer> lengths = names.collect(#(String s) (s.length()));

Adding the return to that makes it noticeably, although of course by
no means fatally, clunkier.

Another minor syntactic note is that introducing the new keyword
shared' (or rather, introducing it non-breaking ways (!)) seems
unwarranted. If the idea is to limit to the enclosing scope, you
could probably have the same effect if you reused the keyword
public'.


Agreed.

And i'm surprised non-shared closed-over variables aren't required to
be declared final, but must only be 'effectively-final'. That seems
un-javalike.

In terms of major semantic concerns, the big question to me is how
to handle the types. How they are actually implemented does leave
major concerns other some generics interactions due to erasure.


Could you expand on that? I don't know how to even begin thinking
about the interaction with types.

Mind you, having seen what's happened to the type system around
invokedynamic, i am no longer sure that such concerns are actually a
roadblock to implementation, sadly.

I'm also not sure about the extensions method section. While I have
had instances where I would have liked to use it, it's never been a
dealbreaker.


Given that we won't be able to add lambda-aware methods to existing
collection interfaces, because that would break all existing code
which implements them, extension methods are the only way of being
able to write the example i give above, or do anything along those
lines (map, filter, reduce, and friends). Having lambdas but not being
able to do those things would be agonizing.

Also, i really don't like the implicit function conversion. I
appreciate that there are millions of places where we'd like to use
first-class functions where we currently use these 'SAM' (Single
Abstract Method - i had to look it up) types, but i don't think we
should be catering to that in the language. For the most part, the
classes which currently demand SAM types are ones in the standard
library (Collections, Arrays, Thread) which could easily be enlarged
to take lambdas too. Where there are interfaces which we'd like to
expand, we can use extension methods:

package java.util.concurrent;

public class ExecutorService {
    public static Thread newThread(ThreadFactory self, #void() fn) {
        return self.newThread(new Runnable() {
            public void run() {
                fn();
            }
        });
    }
}

import static ExecutorService.newThread extends ThreadFactory; // my suggestion

ThreadFactory factory;
Thread t = factory.newThread(#() {doStuff();});

There are tons of other things extension methods would be useful
for. I think once you had them, you'd wonder how you ever lived
without them. For instance, you'll immediately be able to say:

import java.util.List;
import static java.util.Collections.sort extends java.util.List;

List things;
things.sort();

Wouldn't that be nice?


It's just an alternate syntax for calling a static method. And yes,
if you're going to allow that it would be nice if everyone could play,
not just the author of the interface. But without it you could still
write their more complex example as

import static Collections.filter;
import static Collections.map;
import static Collections.reduce;

int ans = reduce(map(filter(s, #(int x)(x != 0)),
                               #(int x)(x + 3)),
                               #(int x, int b)(x + b), 0);

This isn't quite as nice as the extension method syntax but it still
isn't too bad. And if you switched the order of the arguments to put
the collection last it could be

int ans = reduce(#(int x, int b)(x + b), 0,
             map(#(int x)(x + 3),
          filter(#(int x)(x != 0), s)));

--
Jim Janney

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