Re: teaching Java and formal grammars

From:
Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:48:40 -0700
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Stefan Ram wrote:

Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> writes:

That means there are teenagers trying to learn Java who have no idea
what a formal grammar is, or how it works.


  In my first Java programming classes for a general audience at
  an evening school for adults, I started out to teach EBNF first.
  But now I have given up on this, because it confused the people.
  Sometimes, EBNF productions were confused with Java source code
  and were written into the program! But even if this would not
  happen, it costs time to teach EBNF, which is then lacking for
  Java in those relatively short-time classes. If I would have to
  give classes with more than 100 hours, I might start to teach
  EBNF first. But my classes usually have about 18 hours for the
  beginner class (plus about 12 - 18 hours for an optional
  continuation class, the ?advanced course?).


I am not sure hours of instruction are the important thing for
programming language learning. How much time are the students able and
willing to spend outside class?

I wonder whether the Java and EBNF could be taught in parallel without
causing confusion. For example, teach enough Java to write a very simple
application, then show a simplified extract of the Java grammar that is
sufficient to derive the applications the students now know how to write.

Patricia

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