Re: Logging problem
On 3/9/2012 1:57 PM, Novice wrote:
Arne Vajh?j<arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in
news:4f5a3e85$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk:
On 3/9/2012 12:36 AM, Novice wrote:
Just to follow up on my own post, I've found a simple way to cause
that closing tag to be written to the log file. My program is
launched for a very simple JFrame that has two buttons, one for each
of the two principal classes. I've added code so that when I click on
the close button on the JFrame, I simply use the Logger object to
determine all the handlers for that Logger. Then, I do a for each
loop to go through the handlers and simply close each one. Upon
completion, my physical log file has no lock file associated with it
and I can open it without difficulty. When I edit the log file, I see
that the</log> tag is right where it should be.
You should not have to do that kind of stuff.
I agree. It does seem excessive to that within the program.
It's a bit of a sledgehammer approach to the problem but I can
fine-tune it to close only the FileHandler. But it doesn't answer the
question of how the situation would be handled in the real world. Are
real production programs closing physical log files when they stop
running? It seems unlikely that a 24x7 (or nearly 24x7) application
would stop running at all except for a maintenance period yet if it
starts writing error messages to its log, I can't see people waiting
until the log is full before they get their hands on it and find out
what's going on.
It would be very helpful if someone could explain what would happen
in a real-world production situation where a long-running batch
program or a constantly-running online program started writing error
messages to the log. What will operators do to be able to read the
log? I'm guessing they force it to close early and then start a new
file or they have a tool that will read the log file correctly even
without the final</log> tag.
In a 24x7 environment I would expect:
* the appender to be a rolling file appender so the file get closed
and anew one opened every day
* log output to be so big that buffers get flushed to disk within
minutes so the current file can be used
But, as you've said all along and Patricia has now supported, you'd be
writing text files, not XML, so there wouldn't be the same issue of
having to write the closing</log> tag (or an HTML equivalent in an HTML
log).
I would use a flat format with one line per log message and no headers
and trailers.
Then again, you'd still have a lock even on a text file log, at
least if I'm reading the API correctly, so you'd still have to force an
early rollover of the log to be able to read the one you want to see,
right?
No. I would expect it to be possible to read the file even though
it is open for write by the app.
I like the fact that XML gives you lots of options about formatting the
output the way you want it but if it causes problems like this incomplete
file issue I may have to abandon XML logs and go back to simple text
logs, assuming that the simple text logs will be viewable when I want
them, even if that means having to run a simple utility to force an early
rollover.
That seems preferable to having to close handlers within my program.
That's not such a big problem in a programmer test environment but I
don't think a production program would be closing handlers every time the
program ends, especially if it was some kind of online program that was
running all the time.
Yup.
Arne
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