Re: JPA+hibernate merge vs find fetching lazy collection

From:
Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:12:03 +0000
Message-ID:
<alpine.DEB.1.10.1001031207350.9462@urchin.earth.li>
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Arved Sandstrom wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Lew wrote:

Entity objects are not really meant for a lot of manipulation outside the
JPA context or by application logic.


No, no, no. JPA is a mechanism, not a policy - JPA entities are not 'meant'
for anything. You might think it's a good idea to use JPA entities that
way, but it's something i'd disagree very strongly with you over - what
you're advocating is an Anemic Domain Model, and it's a bad thing (Martin
Fowler says so, so it must be true! :) ):

http://martinfowler.com/bliki/AnemicDomainModel.html


I'm in general agreement with what's said in that link. However, in the
context of JPA, I myself don't think of the entity classes by themselves
as defining the domain layer in its entirety. I don't think of JPA
entity classes as being domain classes at all, not by definition. Some
happen to correspond to domain classes, some don't. To me JPA entity
classes are fine-grained Java mappings to RDBMS tables, and that's about
it. They are at the same level as iBatis mapping files.

I tend to think of DAOs, which map to the real domain classes, as being
the domain layer. Some JPA entities happen to have a 1:1 mapping to a
domain class - many do not, and really aren't more than value objects or
DTOs.


Interesting. Are you essentially using JPA entities as behind-the scenes
data holders, wrapped by real domain objects? Or are you saying your
domain objects are more like a service layer? Could i trouble you for a
very small example of this, just in outline?

tom

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