Re: Catching exceptions

From:
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alfps@start.no>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Wed, 13 May 2009 12:54:31 +0200
Message-ID:
<gue913$lb9$2@news.motzarella.org>
* James Kanze:

On May 12, 10:04 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" <al...@start.no> wrote:

* James Kanze:

On May 11, 10:43 pm, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+n...@snipabacken.se> wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 01:52:15 -0700 (PDT),
magnus.morab...@gmail.com <magnus.morab...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have the following incomplete code -

File file;
file.open(filePath);

try
{
   someOneElsesApi::startComplexProcessingOfFile(file);
   std::cout << "The file is now processed" << std::endl;


Do you use std::endl here because you explicitly want flushing
of cout at this point, or because you mistakenly think \n is
not portable?


Or most likely, because it is the standard way of terminating a
line. (Standard in the sense of "usual or default practice".)
At least from what he's posted, there's no reason to assume that
the flush is causing a performance problem, so there's no reason
to not use std::endl.


It's also debatable whether

   #include <iostream>
   int main() { std::cout << "Bah\n"; }

is guaranteed to produce any output at all.


Since when?


That would be late 1998. :-)

Before the standardization it was even worse.

E.g. Scott Meyers discovered that the actual workings and guarantees about
buffering, endl etc., in the draft standard, were so vague and counter intuitive
that he had to omit an item about preferentially using "\n" in Effective C++.

The standard guarantees that flush will be called
on all of the standard stream objects during a clean shutdown.
(There may be problems if you output to std::cout in the
destructor of a static object. The stream is guaranteed not to
be destructed, but you might have to manually ensure the flush
to ensure that data is actually output.)


I've yet to see that formal guarantee demonstrated.

It seems that it's in the class of "the standard guarantees that <iostream> is
enough to use cout, << etc." (oops, we forgot to actually state that!), which
you helped to have fixed in C++0x.

However, else-thread Jerry refers to 27.3/2, and as a matter of practicality to
me that is convincing enough about the standard's authors' *intention*, namely
that the standard is intended to require initialization of the standard iostream
objects via the basic_ios::Init mechanism, which in turn provides flushing
guarantees.

Of course, one of my major arguments for using std::endl instead
of '\n', by default, is that, like it or not, not all shutdowns
are clean. And debugging is a lot easier if the output is
actually indicative of how far the program has gotten.

I don't know (though I suspect answer is "no") and don't care,
but anyone recommending not using endl and criticizing others
for using it should know and be able to back it up with some
quote from the standard.


It's more an engineering issue than a standards one. Basically,
std::endl is the "standard" way of terminating a line (standard
in the sense of "usual" or "accepted practice", not in the sense
of ISO/IEC 14882); replacing it with '\n' is an optimization.
Which shouldn't be undertaken prematurely.


I agree with this. :-)

Cheers,

- Alf

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